Saw the new Camry on the way home

"WilliamsSW" (williamssw) 07/14/2017 at 22:50 • Filed to: Beige is the new black, Appliances

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It’s ugly as hell. Not pictured: the grille, which is even uglier. It does seem lower and wider, so maybe it’s more grounded to the ground, I guess?

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:04

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Can’t wait for the hyperbolic commercials, they will be comparing this to a Ferrari.

We already have the “aggressively sophisticated” Highlander ad, along with “sporty” Camry and “stylish” Corolla. I suppose in an age of alternative facts, it works.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:08

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That is...not what I was expecting. Even the new Accord looks better.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/14/2017 at 23:08

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Ugh. Those ads send me into even more of a rage fit then Chevy’s Real People ads, tbh.

What struck me about this car is that there seemed to be no coherent design theme at all. Soft curves here, sharp edges there, and a grille that makes the Lexus Predator maw look understated.

Get used to it, they’ll sell millions of them.

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:10

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They could style it like a literal dog turd, and it would sell, so long as the emblem said “Camry”.

Styling wise, I think we are in 1958 again, the year of gimmickry and gingerbread. Lots of overdone stuff out there.

To be nice, the new Camry ditches the insane DLO fail of the prior/current model, that’s worth something.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:10

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Those gigantic ass tail lights and you get two little dots for brake lights? The fuck Toyota.

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 07/14/2017 at 23:11

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I seem to be in the minority here, but from the few pictures I’ve seen, I kinda like the look of the Accord. It’s derivative, but the Accord has almost always been derivative. I wish it actually was a lift back though.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:11

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But... but.. 301hp V6!

WilliamsSW > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2017 at 23:12

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That might be due to the shitty photography. I didn’t notice it until now.

EL_ULY > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:15

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Not bad. Keeps getting better every year

WilliamsSW > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 07/14/2017 at 23:15

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To be fair, the rear end looks lower and wider than the last couple of generations. One of the most infuriating things about the Camry is the way it nose dives under braking. Following one on the highway is nerve wracking because every tap of the brakes looks like a panic stop. Hopefully they fixed that.

WilliamsSW > EL_ULY 07/14/2017 at 23:16

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It’s worse in person then the photo suggests. Disjointed and a face only a mother could love.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/14/2017 at 23:19

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True about the turd.

Styling is over the top these days. I look forward to it being toned down a bit. But hope they don’t overshoot and all come out with bars of soap.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:20

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http://jalopnik.com/theres-a-new-2018-toyota-camry-and-now-it-has-braces-in-1790983681

Going by the photos in last month’s article, the front end looks too busy but the side profile with its short overhangs does look ok.

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:21

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Cleanly styled 90s boredom or overstyled beige pretending to be exciting. I guess those are our choices.

WilliamsSW > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 07/14/2017 at 23:22

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Believe it or not, that is NOT what the car in my pic looks like up front.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:24

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Makes sense. The red car in the article is probably the high trim whereas the car you saw was a lower trim.

WilliamsSW > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 07/14/2017 at 23:26

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More this.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/14/2017 at 23:30

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But I want this, dammit!

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:30

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My god, that thing looks crosseyed. And that lower grille is goddamn hideous.

WilliamsSW > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 07/14/2017 at 23:32

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I kinda like the front end you linked.

Not this. Nonononono

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:41

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Gah that’s bad. Why did you even take a picture? (I would’ve taken one too...)

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:46

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Yeah, I kinda like it too. It’s not quite the clean look of the early 9th gen, but it’s much better than the awful facelift they gave it in 2015. Of course, around these parts, Honda could cure cancer and people would still complain.

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:46

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You can buy that for the price of an unexciting new car.

That design in modern times would have a gigantic underbite and a beltline like a tank - not to mention lots of slashes and creases and gimmicks.

WilliamsSW > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 07/14/2017 at 23:47

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I actually passed it originally, and was going to post this without a picture and say ‘no pictures, you’re welcome’. But then it passed me, and like a car crash, I couldn’t resist gawking.

If the mods request it, I’ll add a safety image and warning.

Aremmes > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:49

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I see that Toyota’s designers keep taking inspiration from draping a pleated tablecloth over a steel frame.

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 07/14/2017 at 23:50

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Yeah- the jury is out until I see it in person, but I really like the fastback look as long as they don’t screw up the rear end proportions (looking at you, BMW 3GT/5GT).

Not a fan of the C shaped lights that Honda and Volvo seem to be infatuated with, but I don’t hate them.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:51

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Haha no safety image needed. Some people seem to like it actually. I’ll admit owning a Camry version at one point (ES300/5MT woo!) and actually getting my dads XV40 even though I don’t like Camry’s in general. But yeah I’ll read posts without SR20 but the photo makes it so much better.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/14/2017 at 23:54

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You could buy an unexciting Lexus or BMW for the price of that, really.

The underbite and high belt lines are driven by regulations - but those regs gave us colonnade coupes and hideous bumpers in the 70s that eventually went away too.

Jcarr > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:55

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To be fair, it’s an LE, the worst looking of all the trims. The other trims looks nice in my opinion.

WilliamsSW > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 07/14/2017 at 23:57

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Hell I drive a GS350 that some people think is a Camry, so I’m guilty too.

ES300 5MT? That’s rare!

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/14/2017 at 23:59

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I could load up a Camcord to the price of a nice enough GTO, no doubt. But you’d need to live in a gentle climate to use it as a DD.

I thing regs might be stronger now, and designers less creative.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 00:00

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I miss it Unfortunately it had a weird slate of issues that made me part with it. Unlike the Camry, it had a hydraulic fan. I was having overheating isssues. Shop found a leaky rack. Replaced the rack because it shared fluid with the system that drove the fan. Still overheated. Blown head gaskets. Fuck it I’m out. Bought a lowered S10. Total 180.

WilliamsSW > Jcarr 07/15/2017 at 00:00

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That one looks halfway decent - helped by the color - although there is still something off to me around the C pillar. There seems to be a weird mix of organic curves and sharp angles on the car - especially the LE.

The grille on the LE is truly an abomination. I couldn’t get a picture of it driving, but it’s very different from the picture you posted.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/15/2017 at 00:06

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Yeah that’s not suitable as a DD for me. I drive 40 miles round trip on Chicago expressways. Nope!

The regs are stronger now, but I remember the mid 70s, and convertibles were dying, giant pillars were showing up along with choked out engines, etc. Etc— but they engineered their way out of it eventually. Creativity is a whole different issue though...

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 00:07

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I thought the LE looked okay but not nearly as good as the XLE. It just already looks so sporty that I thought the XSE was over the top when adding sport on top of sport.

WilliamsSW > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 07/15/2017 at 00:08

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Yeah I think I’d bail after all that, too. Too bad, but at some point, you have to get out of it.

WilliamsSW > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 07/15/2017 at 00:11

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Everyone has different tastes- in that picture, I really don’t like the grille, but the rest looks okay. The higher trim grille (XSE?) looks better IMHO.

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 00:22

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You’d have decent rust during the first winter, no doubt.

Tech overcame the emissions and bumper regs of the old days. I don’t know how much can be done about today’s safety regs. The days of sleek front profiles and big greenhouses are past us, I fear.

Jcarr > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 00:23

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I feel like it’s a design that won’t age very well. Frankly I think they should have done an evolution of the XV40 SE. That car still looks good to me.

WilliamsSW > Jcarr 07/15/2017 at 00:32

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That one - in SE trim- is easily the best looking recent gen Camry.

WilliamsSW > fintail 07/15/2017 at 00:34

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No question— it would be a crime to drive that in winter.

Yeah, you’re probably right, but we thought the same about fast cars being dead in the early 80s. You never know.

Amoore100 > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 02:06

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Wow it’s even uglier in non-press pics. Looks like a melted Malibu.

WilliamsSW > Amoore100 07/15/2017 at 08:23

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The Malibu has a nicer roofline and grille. This is hideous:

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 08:44

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Yeah, the only thing I don’t like about the new Accord is that weird thing behind the quarter windows that doesn’t match the rest of the car. I’m excited about being able to get the 2.0T and a manual as well, although I imagine the 2.0T will be the same ~280 HP tune the Avancier has.

pip bip - choose Corrour > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 08:50

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kill it with fire!

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 07/15/2017 at 09:45

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I see what you mean about the rear quarter trim. It doesn’t work, but it’s not a deal breaker for me.

Car and Driver says 252 Hp for the 2.0. Not bad, but I hope you’re right about 280. That would be really nice.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 10:33

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Yeah, it’s not the worst thing in the world. And the 2.0 will probably be easily tunable to get at least 280 if they don’t offer it right out of the box. Unless they’re doing with it like they’ve done with the K24 over the years and only put VTEC on one cam so as to not step on the toes of a more expensive car.

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 07/15/2017 at 11:04

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Whatever the Hp number is, I’m just glad for the 6 speed— I’m sure there will be some room to tune it.

Amoore100 > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 11:52

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Yep, I was referring only to the rear. The front is full-on terrifying.

fintail > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 12:03

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I think engines are easier to work with than safety regs and design. Engineers might also be more creative than the newest breed of designer.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 07/15/2017 at 12:12

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Oh yeah, definitely. I may get one in 2021 after my TSX is paid off.

WilliamsSW > Amoore100 07/15/2017 at 12:43

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I was trying to find a picture like this for the original post!! Nailed it.